Three
issues relevant to Rwanda deserve to be mentioned. Manifestly,
the international community failed Rwanda in 1994, allowing
800,000 people to be killed in three months. As a permanent
member of the Security Council, the United Kingdom must bear
a burden
of responsibility for that failure. Not only did the Government
of the day fail Rwanda, but Parliament failed in its duty to
hold the Government to account. It was not until six weeks
after the genocide started that a debate about it was held
in the House, by which time 500,000 people had already died.
My hon. Friend the Member for Clydebank and Milngavie (Tony
Worthington) called an Adjournment debate and, as he said at
the time, it is unthinkable that an atrocity could kill half
a million people, but not be debated in Parliament. It is to
be hoped that Parliament will take the opportunity of the 10th
anniversary of the genocide in April 2004 to recognise those
failings. At the very least, there should be a debate in the
House on the prevention of genocide and the events of 1994.
Secondly,
Holocaust memorial day in January 2004 is to be partly dedicated
to Rwanda, which is to be welcomed. Efforts are also being
made to commemorate the genocide on the 10th anniversary itself.
The Aegis Trust, a British charity, is raising funds to increase
awareness and educate people about the genocide. It is also
raising funds to preserve five of the most important genocide
sites in Rwanda, some of which my hon. Friend the Member for
Glasgow, Maryhill and others visited. They include the church
at Ntarama, which lacks adequate funding and which the Inter-Parliamentary
Union delegates visited in October 2002. Two sites are sponsored
by donors, including the Governments of Sweden, Holland and
Germany, and they will be ready by April 2004, in time for
the 10th anniversary. The other three sites, including the
church at Ntarama, are without a sponsor. It must be acknowledged
that the Department for International Development provided £40,000
from the development awareness fund for educational materials,
and that is to be welcomed.
However,
it is a shame that a British charity, despite being supported
by other European Governments, should receive such a low level
of support from the United Kingdom. The Foreign and Commonwealth
Office is considering giving £50,000, which is a positive
step, but just £250,000 would preserve for ever the memory
of the 5,000 people who died at Ntarama as well as allow the
building of a facility to teach the children of Rwanda about
their past. I hope that the Secretary of State will give some
thought to that important matter.
Thirdly,
Mr. Deputy Speaker<
Mr.
John McWilliam (in the Chair): Order. We have not
been appointed yet.
Mr.
Clarke: I am very grateful to you, Mr. McWilliam.
I keep saying that we learn something new in the House each
day, and your advice is my learning experience for this morning.
Since
1997, the United Kingdom has been a loyal friend to Rwanda,
and if we did not know that before we went to the Democratic
Republic of the Congo, we know it now. Given the problems involved,
we should be commended for that. However, being a loyal friend
does not mean being uncritical. It is the reverse. Rwanda deserves
the sympathy, attention and assistance of the world, but the
international community should not turn a blind eye to concerns
about that country's conduct.
Those
worries are twofold. I refer first to this year's elections.
Holding elections only nine years after the trauma of genocide
is to be commended, and those elections were technically well
organised. However, the monitors reported serious irregularities,
which cannot be ignored. The EU monitoring team reported that
the best placed opposition candidate was eliminated from the
electoral contest before the start of campaigning and is currently
in prison. Other opposition representatives simply disappeared.
That is clearly unacceptable. Suggestions of ballot-stuffing,
alterations of electoral rolls and intimidation on polling
day are also extremely serious. The incumbent, Paul Kagame,
won with 95 per cent. of the vote. That might be a convincing
result, but I am sure that the hon. Member for Buckingham (Mr.
Bercow) would agree that not even his tremendous charisma would
produce such an astounding result, which gives rise to questions
about its credibility.
All
those issues fit with allegations of increasing authoritarianism,
control and the closing down of political space in Rwanda.
One respected analyst spoke of
"a
formal election painted on top of an increasingly totalitarian
state."
That
is very worrying in the light of the progress that can be made.
Rwanda has unique social pressures, and fears about open political
life are understandable. Such a backdrop is simply unacceptable,
given that Rwanda is capable of moving much further and faster
towards genuine and acceptable democracy. The UK is the largest
donor and is entitled to make its views known, as my hon. Friend
the Member for Glasgow, Maryhill would agree.
My
hon. Friend mentioned Rwanda's involvement in the DRC. The
recent détente between Kigali and Kinshasa is very welcome,
but reports continue to be received of the Rwandan army's presence
in the east of the DRC. There are also continuing allegations
of support for various armed groups in the Congo. We must get
the matter sorted out. The situation was unacceptable when
we visited the DRC. There must be much more transparency, and
we are closely watching the role of the United Nations. If
the transitional Government in the Congo failed or fell due
to Rwandan engagement, the attendant chaos would be disastrous
for Rwanda as well as the Congo. It is incumbent on the UK,
as a genuine friend of Rwanda, to use all its influence to
see that that does not happen.
I
am grateful for the consideration that my colleagues have given
me. I am deeply worried that many of the traumas, conflicts
and aspects of warfare, which my hon. Friend so eloquently
outlined in her opening speech, revolve around the great mineral
wealth that is not being widely shared among the very people
whom we have in mind when we seek to reduce poverty. Sadly,
the situation will continue until we have a strategy that ensures
that that wealth, be it oil, diamonds or copper, is used to
benefit the many and not the few. There is, however, no reason
why the situation should continue in a rational, well-informed
world.
Mr.
David Drew (Stroud) (Lab/Co-op): I will keep my
remarks brief, as I am sure that all of us who have been
involved with the all-party group on the great lakes region
and genocide prevention would like to leave as much time
as possible for my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State
to talk about his recent visit to the DRC. I am sure that
it was as illuminating as our visit to the country a couple
of months ago. I declare an interest as one of three hon.
Members present who visited the DRC at the invitation of
its transitional Government.
When
one looks back on such visits, one realises how much one has
to learn by visiting other parts of the world. I make no apology
for following on from where my right hon. Friend the Member
for Coatbridge and Chryston (Mr. Clarke) left off and talking
about the security issue. As he said, there was consensus when
we met parliamentarians from the DRC, who overall were a very
impressive group of people trying to effect a democracy where
there has never been any opportunity to have one before.
At
that meeting we were given a message in no uncertain terms:
the parliamentarians perceive the British Government as being
far too close to the Government of Rwanda and failing to appreciate
how much the people in the DRC feel that they are still under
the cosh because of Rwandan infiltration. My hon. Friend the
Member for Bethnal Green and Bow (Ms King) conducted herself
very well in that difficult meeting. It is a pity that she
is not present to hear that in person, but perhaps she will
read it in Hansard. As parliamentarians, we are all used to
difficult meetings, normally in our constituencies, but many
of us have never experienced the intensity of feeling that
was made abundantly clear at that meeting. However, we must
move on from the security situation.
Jeremy
Corbyn (Islington, North) (Lab): In that meeting,
were any questions asked about the relationship with Uganda
or its alleged support for different movements in the Congo?
Mr.
Drew: It could equally be said that there was Ugandan
influence. It was interesting that the group of people who
came along to lobby us were very clear about their attitude
towards Rwandans, but one did not have to tear away much
of the veneer to understand that the Ugandans were also involved
but were influencing the situation in a slightly more subtle
way. The simple fact is that we want all foreign troops,
apart from peacekeeping troops, out of the DRC. I hope that
the Secretary of State will deal with that point.
One
thing that I took away from the meeting with the parliamentarians
was how strongly they all felt about the territorial integrity
of the DRC. One goes to Africa and expects to be shocked to
some extent by the artificial constructs of the nations that
have been created and to find that tribal or other loyalties
are much more important than the nation state. In the DRC,
however, we have to throw away the rule book, because its people
are passionate about their country. They may have many differences,
and not many months before, some of them were at one another's
throats
As
I said in my intervention on my hon. Friend the Member for
Glasgow, Maryhill (Ann McKechin), the parliamentarians asked
for more troops, to the extent that they wanted the border
with Rwanda to be completely controlled by the British Army.
We had to tell them that it was not likely that we could bring
that to bear, given Britain's other obligations in Iraq and
so on, but that we would certainly pass on the need for more
support.
As
part of the visit, we went to Kisangani in the eastern part
of the country. There we met several people from the chamber
of commerce. If one wants to meet business people who thrive
in adversity, they are the ones; somehow, they keep the spark
of enterprise going in the most impossible of situations. Again,
the security issue came up, but another message was that the
DRC is bedevilled by the lack of investment in basic infrastructure.
The simple fact is that the only way to get to Kisangani
The
Secretary of State may want to talk about his experiences and
about how we start to rebuild enterprise. We discussed other
issues to do with rebuilding the tax system and giving the
DRC macro-economic assistance
My
next point is a result of a visit we made on our last day in
the DRC. We met some of the country's children. The sight of
non-governmental organisations and the Church intervening in
the most desperate situations is always heartening. We were
able to make that visit because of an invitation from the War
Child UK charity, which is doing very good work in the capital
city, Kinshasa, and elsewhere in the country. We need to recognise
that long-term peace will become embedded in that country only
if we are able to find ways to support civil society. We went
to see children who were orphaned either directly by the war
or as a result of AIDS or the other things that afflict Africa,
and in particular that part of the continent.
Frighteningly,
we also came across the concept of child witches. Children
had been expelled from their families because their families
were undergoing bad luck. That got associated with one or a
number of members of the family, and they were put out on the
street. That is the sort of situation that War Child UK faces.
It is supporting measures to get those children under a roof
and to give them some form of education. We must appreciate
that civil society in such countries can be rebuilt
Nobody
would disagree that security is the most important issue at
present, but the economy has to be given an opportunity, too.
The DRC is probably the richest
country in the world
The
third area that we must concentrate on is how we can help the
civil society. Children and women must be helped in particular,
and people must be brought back from the fighting and into
civil society. Their future must be properly invested in.
Mr.
John McWilliam (in the Chair): Order. I have no
power to impose time limits but, bearing it in mind that
the object of the exercise is to allow the Minister to answer
the debate, I would like Members to be brief.
Hugh
Bayley (City of York) (Lab): Like other hon. Members,
I must declare an interest. In October, I went to the DRC
with the all-party great lakes region and genocide prevention
group. Although the programme was put together by our embassy
From
the slave trade onwards, the Congo has been dealt a bad hand
by history. The Belgian colonisation was particularly harsh.
The first Prime Minister after independence was murdered shortly
after he came to office. The country went through the Mobutu
kleptocracy, and it has now emerged from five years of civil
war. The establishment of the interim Administration is a fragile
but precious moment in the country's history. They are the
DRC's only hope of emerging from years of conflict and exploitation
of its people by a succession of harsh and ruthless leaders.
We
met President Joseph Kabila, who is intensely aware of the
importance of maintaining the quadripartite alliance between
the various groups that were until recently engaged in civil
war. He knows that, were he to succeed in the elections in
June 2005 and become elected as president of the country, he
would need to find senior positions in a power-sharing Government
for leaders of the other factions: Jean-Pierre Bemba, Zahidi
Ngoma, Azarias Ruberwa and Abdoulaye Yerodia. Without the maintenance
of that alliance between factions from different parts of the
country, there is no hope for peace or for retaining the integrity
of the Congo.
I
would like our Government to provide technical assistance to
the presidency
We
in this House could give help through the Inter-Parliamentary
Union and the Westminster Foundation for Democracy, and our
Government could give help by bringing
some Members of the DRC Parliament to London to work with us
and see what a Parliament does. It is particularly important,
before divisions emerge, to get MPs from the different factions
working together in study groups and committees.
The
single most important issue is the disarmament of the rebel
groups. It would be extremely valuable, in terms of confidence-building,
if Members of the Senate and the National Assembly from the
different factions were brought together in a team and flown
by MONUC, because that is the only way to get around the country,
out to the east and north-east to see what is happening with
disarmament and resettlement. They could then report back to
Parliament, and people from one part of the country would see
that others, formerly their enemies, are disarming under the
MONUC umbrella. They could then return to their own part of
the country with people from the faction to which they were
formerly opposed, who would see that disarmament is happening
there as well. That is a practical job for the new Parliament.
While
I was in the DRC, I was surprised by the enormous communication
difficulties. One third of the budget of the UN peacekeeping
mission, MONUC, goes on air transport, which is the only way
to get about the country. No roads or railways are left. The
river is open, but it is not a highway from one end of the
country to the other because parts of it are impassable. Rebuilding
roads and the crucial rail links connecting the navigable parts
of the river must be a development priority.
The
most immediate priority must be disarmament. I spent time talking
to a British official called Peter Swarbrick who works for
MONUC on that issue. He has experience of disarmament in post-civil
war situations in Africa. When he worked in Sierra Leone, he
was able to offer cash as an incentive to ex-combatants to
hand in their weapons. Indeed, he had a tariff and would pay
more for a better weapon. For example, he would pay the same
for a good rifle as for two grenades or 50 rounds of ammunition,
and that encouraged people to bring in more weapons. If someone
came with a clapped-out rifle he would send them away and say, "Come
back tomorrow with something worth while."
Now,
Mr. Swarbrick can offer people nothing more than a receipt,
which most people do not find attractive because it does not
help them to eat. Cash as a direct incentive would be helpful.
US Aid has provided MONUC with $650,000, which is not a great
deal of money given that there are 20,000 irregular fighters
who need to be disarmed and returned to neighbouring countries
such as Rwanda and Uganda. A relatively small sum, such as £1
million, provided by DFID as an incentive to hand in weapons
would be money well spent.
I
know that the Government provide the multi-country demobilisation
and reintegration programme with $25 million of support. That
is a larger-scale project dealing with the wider costs of demobilisation,
and every cent is needed because those costs are high. When
a small group of irregular forces from Rwanda come and give
up their weapons, it is MONUC's policy, quite rightly, to get
those fighters out of the Congo as soon as possible that
is to charter an aeroplane, which costs $15,000 to $20,000
a time. The $25 million is therefore vital, and I hope that,
if the disarmament process goes well and the money is used
up, the Government will consider supplementing it.
Good
progress has been made. When we were there in October, 2,600
combatants from neighbouring countries had been disarmed and
returned to their countries. That figure is now 3,600. MONUC
hoped to reach 4,000 by June 2004. That target will clearly
be met, and I hope that it will be revised upwards to about
6,000. Peter Swarbrick thinks that once the figure goes above
5,000, people will begin to realise that MONUC means business
and its credibility will improve.
I
shall briefly say a word about AIDS. I was extremely impressed
by the way that MONUC integrates attempts to combat AIDS into
its work. Every soldier and civilian who works for it receives
an AIDS policy identification card. Every military contingent
that contributes to MONUC's forces is trained, before arrival,
about the consequences and nature of AIDS in the DRC. Each
unit is required to be properly supplied with equipment and
must prepare to deliver at least one project working with the
community to deal with the epidemic among the Congolese people.
I recently read in the newspapers that Médecins sans
Frontières is carrying out a small-scale pilot scheme
to treat HIV infection with anti-retroviral drugs. If that
can be done in rural, remote parts of the DRC, it can probably
be done anywhere in Africa. However, treatment opportunities
must not divert attention from work on prevention, without
which the appalling epidemic will get much worse.
Finally,
I shall make a comment about politics. As my right hon. Friend
the Member for Coatbridge and Chryston (Mr. Clarke) and my
hon. Friends the Members for Glasgow, Maryhill (Ann McKechin)
and for Stroud (Mr. Drew) said, there is great resentment in
Kinshasa about the role played by irregular and regular forces
from Rwanda and Uganda in destabilising their country. I am
sure that in Rwanda and Uganda there is also resentment towards
elements from the DRC that are destabilising their countries.
It would be impossible to draw up an effective economic development
strategy for the DRC unless it was compatible with the strategies
for neighbouring countries, and vice versa. I therefore ask
DFID and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to work with all
the Governments in the region to draw up a joint strategy for
the region to which they all subscribe.
Rwanda,
for example, wants to boost tourism, and I wish it well, but
it will not get tourists to visit unless it stops supporting
irregular forces in the region. Rwanda would have something
to gain from a joint strategy, as would all the countries in
the region. A joint strategy would need to address first the
issue of security, secondly, that of resource exploitation,
and thirdly, the economic development of the region, because
in parts of the eastern Congo the trade routes are not to the
Atlantic but to the Indian ocean through neighbouring countries.
Finally, such a joint strategy would have to address the question
of human rights.
Jeremy
Corbyn (Islington, North) (Lab): First, I apologise
to hon. Members for missing the greater part of the contribution
to the debate made by my hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow,
Maryhill (Ann McKechin). I will make a few brief points.
The
history of the Congo is possibly one of the most tragic of
all the tragedies in African history, going back to the Belgian
royal family's personal ownership of the country, the appalling
exploitation and enslavement of people from that country in
the 19th century and early 20th century, and the brutality
of the numerous civil wars and insurgent conflicts that have
taken place since the beginning of the 20th century. Independence
was finally achieved in 1960, and the assassination of Patrice
Lumumba in 1961 was one of the great tragedies of African history
My
constituency has a link to that history. After the death of
Patrice Lumumba, some of his family fled to the UK and settled
in Finsbury Park, in my constituency. There has been a significant
Congolese community in the constituency ever since then. The
community is still growing, and I meet its members regularly.
I hold a monthly advice bureau in a local church, with French
translation available, to do my best to assist them.
I
have had a number of lengthy discussions with members of the
local Congolese community, who are very well informed and knowledgeable
about the history of their country. Many of those people are
very well qualified. Some were teachers, lawyers, doctors or
public servants and some worked in private industry, but all
were forced out of the Congo by a succession of dictatorships.
The behaviour of those dictatorships has moulded the history
of the country, and it moulds the attitudes of a large number
of people. The excesses, the brutality, the executions and
the corruption of those regimes is now known, and a number
of western Governments and companies were complicit in that
corruption. There are no clean hands in respect of relationships
with the Congo.
There
are some specific points that I want to put to the Chamber,
to which I hope the Secretary of State can respond. First,
I thank him for a copy of the written statement tabled today
by the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth
Affairs, my hon. Friend the Member for Sunderland, South (Mr.
Mullin). The statement is interesting and important because
it deals with a number of issues that have been raised with
me by members of the Congolese community.
I
shall deal with those issues quickly. The first is the presence
of European peacekeeping forces under the aegis of the United
Nations. There is concern that there are not sufficient numbers
of them. There is also concern about the longevity of the operation,
and whether there is a serious commitment to bringing about
peace and disarmament.
I
have been asked by members of the community in my constituency
to raise the question of the disarmament of child soldiers
when the militia groups have been run out of Goma and other
cities. I understand the need to run the militia groups out
of the cities, but I think that child soldiers should be disarmed and,
if possible, taken into some kind of protective custody where
they can rebuild their lives and get through the horrors of
their experiences. I have met former child soldiers from Uganda;
they live their lives with a series of flashbacks of being
given guns at the age of eight or nine and told to go out and
kill people. We have a specific responsibility to try to do
something to rebuild the lives of those children.
I
should like also to raise the question of the leakage of arms
into the Congo from Rwanda, Uganda and Zimbabwe; it has been
going on for a very long time. I welcome the Minister's statement
and the intentions behind it. However, I wonder what will be
done to police the operation effectively on the ground. It
seems that the Rwandan and Ugandan Governments are sending
out a series of mixed messages. They convey to the European
Community and to western Governments the message that they
are not in favour of intervention, that they want peace within
the region and that they want to co-operate, but I suspect
that the reality on the ground is very different. A blind eye
is being turned to all kinds of insurgent groups, which are
going into the eastern Congo and causing mayhem.
In
the statement, the Minister specifically asks the UN to provide
more detailed information about the link between the sale of
natural resources from the Congo and the supply and development
of arms in that country. I hope that that information can come
to light. If specific, sustainable allegations can be made
against any western companies, they should be vigorously pursued
in the courts here and in the international and European courts.
I suspect that that will not happen because the blue-chip companies
that buy raw materials emanating from the Congo are not the
exploiters. The exploitation is done by somebody else: the
mining of gold, diamond and other minerals, and the logging
that takes place, is done illegally by fairly shadowy groups
that eventually sell the materials on to somebody far more
respectable.
I
have picked up a feeling from my local Congolese community
that this is a war as much about minerals and exploitation
as about anything else. That is the tragedy of the history
of the Congo. At the end of a recent, lengthy meeting at the
local church, one person laconically said to me, "This
is the first war for mobile phones," and there is some
truth in that. The minerals that the west craves, because they
are so precious, are obviously extremely valuable to people
in the Congo.
Although
I welcome this debate and the statement, I get the feeling
that we will have to go a lot further on the question. We must
prevent the flow of arms into militia groups, prevent the continued
destabilisation of the country and ensure that the minerals
that we enjoy in this country have come here legitimately.
We should ensure that the benefits from the sale of those minerals
legitimately flow to the people of the Congo rather than to
the shadowy world of middlemen, arms brokers and mineral dealers.
That world is making a huge amount of money out of the horror,
misery and devastation of a lot of very poor people in a country
that has suffered so grievously over the last 200 years, largely
at the hands of European exploiters.
John
Barrett (Edinburgh, West) (LD): I, too, shall try
to be as brief as possible to allow the Secretary of State
to respond. It has been an interesting debate and all the contributions
were of a high quality. I congratulate the hon. Member for
Glasgow, Maryhill (Ann McKechin) on her success. This is
the third debate recently on the great lakes region. We have
had two very thoughtful debates on Rwanda, and the contributions
so far have been excellent.
I
share the concern of the hon. Member for Islington, North (Jeremy
Corbyn). Having read the ministerial statement, I think that
the issues are clear: corruption is endemic and there are problems
with the funding of arms. I hope that the Minister will explain
what part DFID will play in taking western countries to court
to proceed with a criminal investigation. I hope that we will
not see a whitewash, with business as usual for many of the
western countries that have contributed to the nightmare of
the past. It is important to remember the scale of the task
ahead.
I
shall not dwell too much on history, because a number of hon.
Members have already gone over that. The DRC has 52 million
people spread over a land-mass the size of western Europe.
Peace and democracy are being pursued against a backdrop of
dictatorship and violence. Between 3 million and 4 million
people have died in the past five years, owing not only to
war, but to AIDS, disease and famine. A report by the United
Nations humanitarian assessment mission issued last Thursday
serves to remind us of the problems and challenges faced by
the DRC. The Government and the international community should
know that in the eastern region there is malaria, malnutrition,
water-borne disease and, more worryingly, that in the southern
regions there are ongoing, disturbing reports of the pillaging
of crops, and rape and violence against women and young girls.
Although
much has been done in the past, it is important to recognise
that various efforts are currently making a significant contribution
to the way forward. I warmly welcome the World Bank's announcement
last Tuesday of a $100 million programme to tackle HIV/AIDS
in the DRC. According to recent surveys carried out this year
among organisations fighting AIDS, the epidemic could threaten
more than half of the DRC's 50 million people in the next 10
years.
Like
so many of its neighbours, the DRC is gripped by this crisis,
but it differs from its neighbours in the prevalence of AIDS
in young people, among whom the incidence is almost 20 per
cent. higher than in any of the neighbouring countries. Infection
begins very early
I
welcome the commitments that the Government, and DFID in particular,
have given to the DRC and the surrounding region. I also welcome
the press conference given by the Secretary of State, which
was mentioned earlier, and announcements of further support.
The adherence to basic human rights and the disarmament, demobilisation
and reintegration programme, about which we have heard much
in the past hour, are all important causes that must be supported.
We must move towards full democracy; the pressure must be kept
up.
As
with any country, there is also a role for civil society and,
within that, a vibrant free press. There is some room for optimism
here. The 2003 annual report of the national media watchdog,
Journaliste en Danger, found an improving situation. Incidents
of journalists being detained for more than 48 hours have fallen
sharply, and this year has been particularly significant because,
for the first time in six years, no journalist was imprisoned
for their work. There is, however, further room for improvement.
It will be interesting to see the response to any success by
the new campaign to decriminalise press offences in the country.
There
is clear consensus about the fact that the integration of various
groups, whose battles have marred the DRC for so long, must
be a priority. The DRC must be a country for all its people,
not just any one group. People must be involved and consulted
as part of that process. The commencement, just over a week
ago, of the integration of former rebels into a new, unified
force is a good example of that process in action; it must
be replicated throughout the DRC and, more importantly, it
must be sustained. There were clear symbols of reconciliation
and good will in the ceremonies that were held: soldiers handed
over the scarves that showed their subscription to various
groups, specifically the Movement for the Liberation of the
DRC and the Congolese Rally for Democracy. Many of those new
soldiers will work with forces in Ituri, which is one of the
most troubled regions. Other hon. Members have mentioned the
problem of child soldiers, and I hope to hear the Secretary
of State say what can be done to deal with that.
The
importance of the DRC in Africa and the world, as has already
been mentioned, lies not only in its geographical importance
and mineral wealth but in the fact that it has borders with
nine countries. Rather than being its strength, its mineral
wealth
Those
concerns were shown to be justified by a leaked UN report,
which accused both Rwanda and Uganda, as well as parts of the
new transitional Government, of continuing to arm rebels to
retain control over diamond and gold fields. That is highly
damaging information that provides sobering evidence for all
those interested in the DRC and its future. Perhaps worst of
all are the reports that Etienne Tshisekedi is preparing a
rebellion with the military and training support of Rwanda.
There is evidence of arms shipments to the Congolese national
army from Rwandan officers, in direct contravention of the
UN arms embargo. Similar allegations have already been made
about Uganda.
As
with any new Government and new structures, much will be based
on a foundation of trust. If the report that I mentioned is
correct, certain elements in Rwanda continue to face problems
from the past. We must look to, and be optimistic about, the
future. We are all aware of the special relationship that seemed
to exist between the previous Secretary of State for International
Development and Africa, and we hope that that special relationship
can continue.
Behind
the politics, international relations and even the arms tradeMr.
John Bercow (Buckingham) (Con): In opening the debate, the
hon. Member for Glasgow, Maryhill (Ann McKechin) spoke with
knowledge, authority and compassion. She was followed by the
right hon. Member for Coatbridge and Chryston (Mr. Clarke)
and the hon. Members for Stroud (Mr. Drew), for City of York
(Hugh Bayley), for Islington, North (Jeremy Corbyn) and for
Edinburgh, West (John Barrett), all of whom made wise and thoughtful
speeches. I am keen, as is everyone else, to hear what the
Secretary of State has to say, so I shall try to create a precedent
of brevity.
There
is a moment of hope, what with a transitional Government in
the DRC, a peace deal in Burundi and elections last summer
in Rwanda, but the fragility of that arrangement has already
been commented upon. Of course, I would welcome an overview
from the Secretary of State on what the Government are doing,
both alone and in concert with others, to sustain that fragile
peace.
In
all, there have been four reports from the UN Security Council
about the exploitation of natural resources. There is the all-party
parliamentary group report on the subject, and a plethora of
non-governmental organisation group reports, too. Until now,
there has not been an official Government response. I welcome
the fact that today there is a written ministerial statement
on the subject, and I hope that the Secretary of State will
not take it amiss when I say that there will almost certainly
need to be a further airing of the issues in the main Chamber
and an opportunity for parliamentary scrutiny.
In
the terrible crisis that we are debating, Burundi has often
been ignored, yet 300,000 people have been killed there in
the 10-year civil war. The fact of the power-sharing deal between
the Tutsi Government and Hutu rebel forces is welcome, but
the Secretary of State will recognise that there is now a requirement
for the demobilisation of former fighters and for the repatriation
of some 800,000 Burundian refugees in Tanzania. There is, of
course, an African Union presence, but that presence is both
under-resourced and inexperienced. Many observers with knowledge
of the subject believe that there is a need for a UN mandate
and a UN force. I shall welcome the Secretary of State's comments
on that point.
The
all-party group on the great lakes region and genocide prevention
has welcomed the report of the UN panel of experts on illegal
exploitation of natural resources and other forms of wealth
in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Will the Secretary
of State give a commitment today that the Government will make
a statement
on the subject and ensure
I
urge the Secretary of State to commission evaluations of the
implications for DFID country programmes of Ugandan and Rwandan
involvement in the DRC. He will be well aware of the memorandum
of understanding between the Rwandan and British Governments.
Although aid is vital, and it would be chronically irresponsible
to suggest its removal, it is both reasonable and sensible
for the Government to use aid as a lever to ensure proper behaviour,
including the nurture of democracy and respect for human rights.
Many
of us believe that the UN should seek an expansion of its personnel
and resources in the DRC. Faster demobilisation and resettlement
in line with the example of the quick start programme is required
and, of course, there is a need for a UN arms embargo on the
entire region. I would welcome the Secretary of State's remarks
on that front, too.
During
the Secretary of State's recent visit, he referred to the $38
million that the UK Government are providing to fight poverty
and counter disease. That is very welcome, and I certainly
do not cavil at it for one moment but, for the purposes of
clarification, I would appreciate it if he would make it clear
whether that is the $38 million that has already been referred
to on previous occasions or a new tranche of funding.
The
Secretary of State will be aware
Democracy
building, the pursuit of good governance and respect for political
pluralism are clearly of the essence; they are prerequisites
of sustainable progress. I wonder whether, in addition to the
idea of a delegation of Congolese parliamentarians coming to
the UK, the Secretary of State would in all seriousness consider
a group of ex-parliamentarians from this country
There
is economic work to be done. I make two suggestions that have
also been made by others. First, DFID should collaborate with
the Department of Trade and Industry to fund a permanent representative
at the UK embassy in Kinshasa to encourage direct British investment
in the DRC. There are huge commercial opportunities if only
they can be properly exploited. Secondly, the UK should offer
its expertise in construction, surveying, engineering and road
building to
help reconstruct the DRC's transport infrastructure. We all
want to hear what the Secretary of State has to say
The
Secretary of State for International Development (Hilary
Benn): I join hon. Members in congratulating my
hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow, Maryhill (Ann McKechin)
on securing this important debate. I echo what the hon. Member
for Buckingham (Mr. Bercow) said about the speeches that
we have heard. They reflect the outstanding job done by the
all-party group on the great lakes region and genocide prevention.
I also join Members in paying tribute to my hon. Friend the
Member for Bethnal Green and Bow (Ms King) for her chairing
of that group.
The
debate has shown clearly that the challenges facing the Democratic
Republic of the Congo are, frankly, enormous. It has a population
of about 55 million, is located in the very heart of Africa
and has a miserable history of conflict, war, dictatorship,
corruption and exploitation, often illegal, of its great national
resources. It also has enormous levels of poverty.
One
of the DRC's problems is that there are few reliable statistics.
However, the best estimates are that 80 per cent. of its population
live on less than $1 a day. My hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow,
Maryhill set out with great clarity the history, which I do
not intend to go back over. I will simply say that the level
of suffering experienced by the DRC's people is hard for us
to imagine. If, prior to the TV cameras entering Bunia, most
people in this country had been asked to name the place where
between 3 million and 3.5 million lost their lives over the
last five years, I doubt that many could have identified the
site of what has been described as "Africa's hidden first
world war."
That
history means that it is all the more important that the international
community now offers support to the transitional national Government,
whose inauguration in July brought together the different factions
and was a significant event. They are working towards implementation
of the global accord and particularly towards presidential
and parliamentary elections in two to three years.
I
learned very forcefully during my visit last week that the
depth of the DRC's crisis over the past decade means that the
scale of the challenges facing the TNG is too difficult for
us to appreciate. My hon. Friend the Member for City of York
(Hugh Bayley) was right to talk about the fragility of the
situation and the "preciousness" of the TNG. That
point was also made by the hon. Member for Buckingham. For
the DRC to establish itself as a state and to be capable of
bringing its people security, a concentrated long-term effort
is required.
President
Kabila said to me, and it was echoed in the debate, that it
is not a question of restoring people's faith in the Government.
He said that the task is to persuade people that there is such
a thing as a Government, who can provide for them. It is not
about rebuilding the country; it is about constructing a state
for the very first time in the history of a place that is the
size of western Europe and where many of the things that we
take for granted as representing the signs and institutions
of a functioning state do not exist.
Establishing
those institutions, encouraging economic activity, weaving
together a social fabric where one does not exist and ending
the culture of impunity, which has been such a feature of the
DRC's history, will take time. We must recognise that in dealing
with that challenge the TNG must take on powerful and established
interests that dislike change and will resist it.
On
parliamentary links, the hon. Member for Buckingham made a
serious point, as others did, about the importance of giving
the benefit of our expertise and enabling parliamentarians
in the DRC to learn how they might go about the job. Later
this week I will meet the Westminster Foundation for Democracy,
and I will put to it his extremely important suggestion.
Historically,
the UK has not had a great presence in the DRC, but we are
stepping up our involvement. We are looking to establish a
long-term development partnership similar to those that we
have developed with other countries in the region, such as
Uganda and Rwanda, with whom we have had a close historical
relationship. We recently finalised the DFID country engagement
plan, which sets out our proposals. In a sense, we anticipated
the all-party group's very good report, which will be formally
launched later today. It asked the Government to step up their
involvement in the DRC, and we have done so, as I said when
I was there last week.
The
size of our current programme is $38 million, or £23
million. That is on top of the approximately £70 million
contribution that we make through multilateral institutions
such as the EU, the IMF, the World Bank and others. We have
already announced that, but we are looking to increase our
involvement. When I was in the DRC, I described our involvement
as support for success, because the international community,
the TNG and the people of the DRC must march forward together,
step in step, to address the country's problems.
Our
work will involve two main tasks: ensuring a successful transition
and helping the TNG to establish basic systems of governance.
That means supporting the transition institutions, which we
are doing, demobilising and reintegrating ex-combatants, which
is fundamental to the country's future
We
are offering specific support for peace-building. In the east,
where there is no question but that things are extremely difficult,
the UK contributed £3 million to the interim emergency
multinational force. We also pushed for the inclusion in the
UN resolution of text on blocking arms supplies, although I
am the first to say that enforcement is difficult in a country
where many state institutions do not exist. We are contributing
about £2.5 million to support community-based peace-building
programmes, including those managed by Christian Aid and CAFOD
On
child soldiers, we are funding a UNICEF child disarmament demobilisation
and reintegration programme to the tune of £2 million.
We are doing that now, before the funding for the multi-country
demobilisation and reintegration programme, which we will also
support, kicks in.
My
hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow, Maryhill mentioned debt.
The DRC has an interim poverty reduction strategy paper; that
has reached decision point,
and we hope that it will reach completion point in 2005. The
UK has agreed to write off the debts that it is owed, and we
have also released the $4.8 million that we pledged towards
an international financing package to enable the DRC to clear
its arrears to the African Development Bank.
The
hon. Member for Edinburgh, West (John Barrett) alluded to HIV/AIDS.
The infection rate is about 6 per cent., but, again, statistics
are hard to come by. I visited a project run by Fondation Femme
Plus in Kinshasa, which cares for women with HIV. The stigma
that they experience is a real problem in the country, but
the foundation does outstanding work. The visit was a very
moving occasion. We are also funding a condom distribution
programme.
A
number of references were made to the UN panel report and to
the written statement tabled today by the Under-Secretary of
State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, my hon. Friend
the Member for Sunderland, South (Mr. Mullin), which sets out
the Government response. I understand that hon. Members, having
reflected on it, will wish to pursue some of the points in
it. I simply say that the situation in the DRC has been a major
problem, as everyone has identified. However, as the statement
forcefully illustrates, one needs evidence to pursue those
responsible and to deal with the culture of impunity
Mr.
Bercow: Is the right hon. Gentleman not able, in
conversation with people in the UN, to elicit any commitment
to provide such evidence?
Hilary
Benn: We have repeatedly made that point to those
who worked on the report. Everyone understands the problem,
but there must be sufficient evidence to pursue specific
individuals and companies. The problem so far has been the
lack of evidence.
There
has been a huge international effort to end the conflict, and
it is important that members of the international community
come together to consider the great lakes in a wider context.
The great lakes conference, which is planned for next year,
will provide a chance to do so.
I
reassure my right hon. Friend the Member for Coatbridge and
Chryston (Mr. Clarke) and other hon. Members that, in our relations
with Uganda and Rwanda, we make it very clear that, having
withdrawn their forces, they should stay out because the DRC
needs its integrity and stability. I also recognise my right
hon. Friend's point about the serious situation in northern
Uganda.
I
met several people in the DRC. Expectations are very high but
few people would have thought five years ago that we would
have reached the point that we have today. That is why we should
stick with the TNG. It matters that we should be involved,
as there is now a window of opportunity to build a different
future for the country. I welcome today's debate for all those
reasons.